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Celebrity Big Brother Sally Bercow interview: 'Pamela is a fruit loop'

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CBB 2011: Sally Bercow is evicted

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Well, we have our first evictee! Yes, Sally Bercow was evicted from the Celebrity Big Brother house last night after failing to beat Kerry and Bobby in the public vote. Shortly after leaving her fellow celebs behind, Sally came to chat about her time in that ever so famous compound.

Read on to find out what she had to say about her fellow housemates, a possible romance that's blossoming, and which other reality show she'd like to do...

You said you were disappointed about being evicted - how are you feeling a couple of hours on? Are you relieved?
"I'm kind of relieved now but I'd known for six days I was going to be evicted. As soon as I was nominated with Kerry and Bobby I knew because I knew the demographic of the show. So I've had time to get used to it. I was really upset just because I knew the establishment would be thinking, 'Ha!' I thought I was going to be out the next day, I didn't know it was going to be a week, and I thought, 'Oh God, I'll have gone in and no-one will have seen what I'm like or anything, it'll all have been for nothing' - apart from the hundred grand to charity, which is a big deal."

CBB 2011: Sally Bercow is evicted
There was only 1% between you and Bobby in the eviction vote - how do you feel about that?
"I'm quite surprised there was only 1% because like I say, I know the demographic of this show and all I can say is if I was a teenage girl, I would have voted for Bobby. Bobby's hot! So I'm quite surprised there was only 1% in it. And in a way that's really gutting because I think, 'Oh, I could have been in there'. But I'm quite proud that it's only 1% - I thought it would be much more than that."

You got on well with Paddy - do you see yourself inviting him round for a meal with you and John?
"Definitely! I think John would like him. I can't speak for whether John will agree to have a dinner party or whatever. But I'm definitely going up to see Paddy, without a doubt, and we're going to switch numbers. He's such a lovely guy and I would be delighted to have him and [his wife] Rosanne down to Parliament, down to our house."

You seemed to clash with Pamela - what was it about her that rubbed you up the wrong way?
"She's a really nice woman, don't get me wrong. She's a very nice woman. She's very LA. She's a proper celeb and she's obviously come from that culture and she was always on about her vitamins and her medicine and she put make-up on the whole time. Every story that anybody told, she always had to come in and relate it to her. I just found her a bit self-centred. But she's a nice person. I think she's quite fragile, really. She strikes me as one of those people who's in her late 40s and hasn't quite come to terms with the fact that her kids have grown up, and, you know, slightly insecure, I think."

You didn't get a chance to nominate - who would you have picked?
"I would have nominated Pamela and Darryn."

Why Darryn?
"I found Darryn quite hard work. In the last few days our relationship changed a bit, but I do think he's very much a man's man. I mean, he's a total right-wing fruit loop. There's something about him - I just don't trust him. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him."

Darryn Lyons's 'abs'
You seemed to like Darryn at one point and now you don't...
"He showed that he had a heart when he did the Wizard of Oz thing because I picked him to be the tin man and he was actually really upset. That was the last thing I expected because I thought he was going to be a tough nut and couldn't give a toss what people thought of him. So I had to change my opinion of Darryn, and I did, but I just think he's a man's man. And I'm not sure how much of his emotion is genuine and how much is put on for the cameras. Darryn foxes me to be honest."

What did you think of Darryn's prosthetic abs? Did they shock you or did you not really notice them?
"No, I did notice them! I mean, he talked about them all the time as well. Put it this way - they didn't do anything for me."

Was it exhausting to live with Jedward?
"No, no. I really thought that Jedward would drive me bonkers. I thought they'd be annoying little puppies yapping round my feet. But no, they're lovely boys. And they're so creative and they're such fun and they haven't got a bad word to say about anybody. They really are lovely."

Would you ever let them babysit for you?
"Oh God yeah. No, actually, no no no - let me take that back! Jedward aren't sensible enough to babysit. They could play with my kids quite happily but I don't think they could look after them."

Actress and Mrs Knight Rider - it's Pamela Bach-Hasselhoff
You don't regret going in, but do you regret any of your interactions with the other housemates? You were quite hard on Pamela over the food.
"Yeah, I was. I think I said that Pamela's food looked like a dog's dinner and to be honest, it did. Really, really gross. But I should have just kept my mouth zipped. I shouldn't have been honest, I should have just kept my mouth zipped. I think she wanted me to say it looked lovely and I wasn't ever going to do that - I don't do bulls**t. But I should have kept quiet."

Why's everyone being so hard on her?
"Because she's a fruit loop!"

Do you think we could see romance in the house?
"I'll tell you one thing - everybody expected Lucien and Amy. No. It's Lucien and Kerry. I know there's a big age gap but they get on really, really well and he did say to me at one point, 'I much prefer women like Kerry to women like Amy'. I wouldn't rule it out. I think Lucien and Kerry, there is something there. I don't know, it might just be an older sister thing, but I'm not sure. That's a possibility, I think."

We saw you speaking about the cleaning rota - what was it actually like in the house?
"I'm a bit amazed that I've come across as a cleaning freak because I'm so not. But there was one day and it was just an absolute tip, and I just thought, 'Oh God, everyone's going to think we're complete slobs, we need to clean up a bit'. But I didn't go on about it the way it was apparently being portrayed - not at all."

The house seemed quite clean...
"The floor was absolutely filthy. All the bathrooms are disgusting, the toilets and stuff. Really gross. Yeah, it's pretty grotty. But I'm not an OCD clean freak, God!"

Do you have any advice you'd give to future contestants?
"To do what I didn't, really, which is to think about how you're going to play it in the house. Because I could see that various people had their strategies of what to do. To be honest, I didn't think about what it would be like in the house - I thought about going into the house, but not what it would be like in there. I think you've got to be yourself, but I think people like Kerry, I think she's going to do quite well because she's hamming it up for the cameras a bit. And Bobby, apparently, has been giving monologues to the camera in the last few days and things like that. That didn't even occur to me - I was just me. But I think probably you should have a strategy. I don't know, I'm not the right person to ask. I was evicted first!"

Kerry Katona sunbathes
Can you talk about Kerry's gameplan a bit more?
"I thought Kerry's game plan was quite obvious from day one, which was to be loved. Which was why she did so uselessly at the diva task - I mean, I would have completely hammed it up. So she wanted to be liked and she's gone into the house wanting to be liked and she performs for the cameras. She's a reality TV star and she sees herself as a reality TV star. The number of times she talked about her celebrity status - I don't know if they showed that clip of me going, 'What the hell?' They're all so conscious that they're celebrities."

What have you learnt during your time in the house?
"I've learnt that celebrities live on cloud cuckoo land. Some of them have got no idea about the real world - I mean, just no idea about state education, about the benefit system. Really quite shocking."

Who was the worst culprit?
"I think Tara was pretty bad. I mean, I love Tara, I love Tara. But she's been a celebrity for years and she completely lives in her sort of billionaire yachts, cracking open the champagne culture. And also I found Kerry - you know, Kerry moaning on about being bankrupt and so on and then saying, 'It's just so important for me that my children go to public school'. Well, sorry. For most people in the country they make do with the state education system. 'My charity is my kids' school fees' - sorry, no. I just found that quite hard."

CBB 2011: Day 7: Amy
Did any of the housemates surprise you or confound your expectations?
"Tara - Tara's a lovely girl. And Amy! Amy's the one who really surprised me. I'm not going to pretend she's incredibly clever - she just ain't. But she's a lovely, lovely girl and that is just who he is. She is a complete glamour puss - she hasn't got a bad word to say about anyone. I really liked Amy, actually. I mean, we've got nothing in common and the conversation was completely banal but I like her very much. I do. So she surprised me because although she looks like a dolly, she's genuinely a dolly. It's not put on, that is who she is, and she's a really kind person."

We saw you doing all sorts of different tasks and things - what was your favourite moment?
"I loved my chats with Paddy. And I must confess I did love doing the bedsheet task, I just loved it. I really liked the fashion show - it was fun."

Was that partly because you knew it might annoy people outside?
"No, I just thought you've got to take the p*ss out of yourself. I completely hammed it up and to have ten celebrities - Jedward and Kerry Katona and Tara Reid - wearing a bedsheet, I was quite proud!"

Paddy and Sally get to know each other
What did you talk to Paddy about?
"We talked quite a lot about sexism and homophobia in his community, although, you know, it's just their way of life. He calls every woman a 'woman', and he views himself as owning his wife and owning his daughters. It's just a different way of looking at things. So we talked quite a lot about the travelling culture to be honest, and also we talked quite a lot about how the travellers face a lot of prejudice in the media."

What did you think of Mohamed Al-Fayed when he came into the house?
"Oh, he was great. It was really, really good of him to come in. He had a great sense of humour and he was a really sweet guy."

Will you be giving him a call? He gave you his number, didn't he?
"Yeah, he gave his cards to everyone. I think I left his card in the house, actually!"

What did you miss about the outside world while you were in the house?
"I really missed my kids in particular. It's the longest I've been away from them. They're only little - they're 7, 5 and 3 - so I really missed them big time. And I missed my husband. I wish I'd gone in with his blessing but I wasn't ever going to get that so I'm quite looking forward to having a chat with him on the phone and seeing how it's going. I missed the family - and the news. I really missed knowing what was going on because it's such a big part of my world. I've always, since I was a kid, been into politics. And just not knowing what's going on in the world has just been really freaky."

You mentioned John and the kids - do you think they'll be proud of your time on the show?
"I don't think my husband will have watched the show to be honest. I don't think he's watched it. But from what I understand of what's been shown I don't think I did anything to disgrace myself. I think I was just me, so he should be."

What do you think the reaction from the 'establishment' will be now that you're out?
"I think they'll all see it as a great fuss about nothing, to be honest. We don't live in the 1950s - this is 2011, women aren't joined at the hip to their husbands and OK, the speaker of the House of Commons wouldn't go in the Big Brother house but there's no reason why I can't as Sally Bercow. Why shouldn't I?"

Sally Bercow has some words for the press as she enters the house.
How do you think going on Big Brother will affect your chances of becoming an MP?
"I think I probably blew my chances of being a Labour MP when I was in the bedsheet, you know? To be honest, I don't really regret that - it was a bit of fun for Valentine's day. But the way everyone went completely potty about it, I thought, 'Well, I've got nothing to lose really'. And I loved the fact that I had a bedsheet task when I was in there. I just love that. It was like owning the bedsheet again. So I don't think it's made much difference, to be honest with you."

Do you think you could still be a politician?
"I think there are some constituencies out there who are still keen on me because there are a lot of constituencies out there who want a real person and don't believe that an MP has to be someone that has got no past. I've been very honest - in my 20s I was an alcoholic. I mean, you're not meant to admit things like that. I had a few one night stands in my 20s - you're not meant to admit things like that. You're not meant to have a past if you're a politician. I think that is changing, so I do think that some forward-thinking progressive constituencies will think, 'Yeah'."

CBB 2011: Day 5: Sally
Do you think John and the establishment will be relieved or disappointed that you're out?
"I think my husband's probably relieved I'm out of the house. He wouldn't have wanted me to go in the house in the first place, although the £100,000 charity donation made it an easier pill to swallow. But no, I think he'll be relieved I'm out. As far as I know I don't think I made a prat out of myself. I didn't have a George Galloway moment."

Would you like to see any other political wives in the house?
"I'm not sure any other political wives would do it - I think they're probably more sensible than me. I couldn't really give a stuff, I just wanted to go in because I'm trying to break out of this cucumber sandwich-making, Alice band-wearing political wife thing. So I'm not sure."

Big Brother is a great platform - what would you like to do next?
"I would like to continue to raise awareness for autism and disability in general and I would love to be a Labour MP fighting this government."

You mentioned the charity donation a lot - was that the main reason you went on Big Brother?
"Totally. I turned Celebrity Big Brother down until Richard Desmond, who owns Channel 5, came back and said, 'What about if we offer £100,000 to your favourite charity?' So then I said yes. I was going to do the jungle."

Sally Bercow, wife of the Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow.
Would you do another reality show?
"Oh, I'd love to. I did this one for charity, but I don't deny that I want a media career. I absolutely don't deny that. I would love to get something like The Wright Stuff or some current affairs show. I'd love to do that in the next few years, or a radio show, or Loose Women. Something like that. I love being opinionated and I enjoy being in the public eye, and I'm not ashamed of that. So yeah, I would definitely do another reality TV show. It depends what it is really, and if there's a charity aspect to it, then yeah."

If you could choose one to do, what would it be?
"Oh, the jungle. Definitely the jungle."

Was there any point in the house where you worried that you'd made the wrong decision to come in or that it would have a negative impact on your husband's career?
"No, because it was leaked that I was going into the house before. I knew what the coverage would be like and most of it was out of the way and I knew when I went in. So I wasn't really worried, not really."

Who do you want to win Big Brother?
"I'd love Paddy to win. Or Jedward. I'd really love Paddy to win just because I think the travelling community should be really proud of him, and it would kind of fight the prejudice that travellers face. In his own way it would also be a two fingers up to the establishment if he won, so I would like Paddy to win."

Diary Room Chair from Big Brother 11
Sally's verdicts on her housemates...
Tara: "Tara was great fun, a really nice woman. I really liked Tara. That's a very banal quote, sorry! But I just genuinely liked Tara, I thought she was a really good girl."
Darryn: "I think Darryn's quite a complex character. Definitely a man's man, without a doubt."
Jedward: "Completely barking fruit loops, but I love them."
Pamela: "Away with the fairies."
Amy: "Lovely, lovely girl. What you see is what you get with Amy. Her image is Amy. She's a complete glamour puss and she's a really lovely girl."
Bobby: "He was so silent for the first four days and then he showed a sort of evil side to be honest. I don't know. I don't really have any views on Bobby."
Lucien: "Very sweet. But very malleable - very easy to influence."
Kerry: "I think Kerry's very funny, I think Kerry's very talented, but Kerry is very aware of the cameras. Kerry is very aware that she's a reality TV star. So I don't know the real Kerry."
Paddy: "I just love him. Paddy is just a wonderful human being, just so warm and so kind and loyal and interesting, and I just really liked him, hugely."

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