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Cult Spy: The Deletion Of The Cybermen?
Published Sunday, Jan 11 2009, 08:00 GMT | By Ben Rawson-Jones | 30 comments


Arguably, the signs were there in 2006's 'Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday'. It was a superb season finale, but the ease with which the Daleks could dispatch the Cybermen didn't bode well for their future. They were made to look stupid, impotent and easily destroyed with the right gun/plot device. Fortunately, Graeme Harper's superb visual handling of the two-parter provided a number of striking shots, particularly when a Cyberman (brilliantly filmed from a low angle) kicked down a house door to confront a family huddled together on the stairs. Terrifying stuff.





It's a shame that the Cybermen have been sacrificed in a way, as they have been at their best in the new series when given the chance to unleash their unique 'body horror' characteristics. Witness the grizzly demise of Yvonne Hartman in 'Doomsday' or the gruesome machinery seen in the Cyber factory in 'The Age Of Steel', which was cleverly juxtaposed with the song 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' to give it a very macabre feel. Let's just hope, given their last poor showing in 'The Next Doctor', that when a Cyberman next says "You will become like us" he really means it this time.
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David, Northants, on February 8th, 2009
Russell T. Davies has ruined the Cybermen. It's not only the appaulingly bad design he's chose for the new ones which is worse than the 80s versions, but also the dropping of their entire mythology. They're no longer Cybermen but brains in a tin can and all the myths of intergallactic Cyberwars and Telos tombs has been murdered by Davies who's turned them into Xmas panto robots. I'd rather they never came back than come back under these circumstances.
Russell T. Davies has ruined the Cybermen. It's not only the appaulingly bad design he's chose for the new ones which is worse than the 80s versions, but also the dropping of their entire mythology. They're no longer Cybermen but brains in a tin can and all the myths of intergallactic Cyberwars and Telos tombs has been murdered by Davies who's turned them into Xmas panto robots. I'd rather they never came back than come back under these circumstances.
Paul, Australia, on February 3rd, 2009
Do people really think that the new series Cybermen are worse than the Cricket Glove wearing, over-acting, killed by arrows and slingshots versions of their final classic appearance. Anything would be an improvement over that farcical story.
Do people really think that the new series Cybermen are worse than the Cricket Glove wearing, over-acting, killed by arrows and slingshots versions of their final classic appearance. Anything would be an improvement over that farcical story.
Anais, UK, on January 24th, 2009
I think the rot set in when they were redesigned for the current Doctor Who - their legs look like they are wearing flares! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Damn you, Russell Davies for destroying my favourite monsters!
I think the rot set in when they were redesigned for the current Doctor Who - their legs look like they are wearing flares! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Damn you, Russell Davies for destroying my favourite monsters!
the doctor, the TARDIS, on January 20th, 2009
they may not have survived at the time but they will be back in the CYBER WARS of the future
they may not have survived at the time but they will be back in the CYBER WARS of the future
Kerrin, Brighton, on January 19th, 2009
I agree with most of what is said here. For me, the latest Christmas episode was too long. It went on and on. However, I do not think the weakness was the cybermen. It was the lack of the "assistant". A lot of the humour, warmth and compassion of Tennant's Doctor comes from his interaction with his side-kicks. Without an assistant, he loses too much. So does the story-line. If the cybermen are no longer as frighteneing as they once seemed to be, then it is because they are not sinister any more. The current bunch, with emotional inhibitors and human brains, are not "otherwordly" and alien. They are just another bunch of semi-robots. Even Star Trek's "Borg" are more sinister! The current cybermen clomp about a lot in their shiney steel and are, really, rather annoying as opposed to terrifying. The cybermen from days gone by seemed, to me anyway, to be so much more pure alien evil, far more monstrous. Not that the cybermen are any the less horrific as an idea in Davies's reimagining of them. After all, we are talking about the removal of a human brain, welded into a metal suit with no ability to feel anything any more (plus no ability to touch and feel warmth or have a family etc etc - pretty bad for the individual!). Part of the deeper horror when the cybermen regain their emotions in the Lumic double-hander is the realization of what has happened to them as biological organisms. That is a horror, but only because the cybermen have been put in a human context. Hideous though this is, I am not sure even this replaces the utter otherness of the early sinister cybermen. We will debate this till the end of time. To be sure! This is what makes Doctor Who, even when not as good as we would like, still one of the better programmes on television.
I agree with most of what is said here. For me, the latest Christmas episode was too long. It went on and on. However, I do not think the weakness was the cybermen. It was the lack of the "assistant". A lot of the humour, warmth and compassion of Tennant's Doctor comes from his interaction with his side-kicks. Without an assistant, he loses too much. So does the story-line. If the cybermen are no longer as frighteneing as they once seemed to be, then it is because they are not sinister any more. The current bunch, with emotional inhibitors and human brains, are not "otherwordly" and alien. They are just another bunch of semi-robots. Even Star Trek's "Borg" are more sinister! The current cybermen clomp about a lot in their shiney steel and are, really, rather annoying as opposed to terrifying. The cybermen from days gone by seemed, to me anyway, to be so much more pure alien evil, far more monstrous. Not that the cybermen are any the less horrific as an idea in Davies's reimagining of them. After all, we are talking about the removal of a human brain, welded into a metal suit with no ability to feel anything any more (plus no ability to touch and feel warmth or have a family etc etc - pretty bad for the individual!). Part of the deeper horror when the cybermen regain their emotions in the Lumic double-hander is the realization of what has happened to them as biological organisms. That is a horror, but only because the cybermen have been put in a human context. Hideous though this is, I am not sure even this replaces the utter otherness of the early sinister cybermen. We will debate this till the end of time. To be sure! This is what makes Doctor Who, even when not as good as we would like, still one of the better programmes on television.
Phil Maginn, Doncaster, on January 17th, 2009
I like the Cybermen. They are a good enemy especially in old episodes where gold was the only thing that could stop them. In the new episodes they a built by man, so are flawed against alien weaponry such as what the Daleks have. A story seeing the original Cybermen versus the Daleks would probably have been a better match. Plus the fact of the code to destroy the cybermen stored in a mobile phone means that the Doctor could defeat them every single time. But overall the episodes have been good.
I like the Cybermen. They are a good enemy especially in old episodes where gold was the only thing that could stop them. In the new episodes they a built by man, so are flawed against alien weaponry such as what the Daleks have. A story seeing the original Cybermen versus the Daleks would probably have been a better match. Plus the fact of the code to destroy the cybermen stored in a mobile phone means that the Doctor could defeat them every single time. But overall the episodes have been good.
Harjit, Bradford, on January 13th, 2009
The Cybermen and the Daleks have been ruined by poor scripts written for 5 year olds - sorry I mean 4 year olds. What makes it worse is, that as a Dr Who fan, I feel obliged to watch this rubbish. Russel T Davies doesn't have the imagination to write sci-fi. The endings for Dr Who are extremely poor. For those including me that want a bit more horror, why not air two versions of every episode. A early version for the 4 year olds and a late night version for the adults. Unfortunately this would not improve the scripts but would make it more palatable.
The Cybermen and the Daleks have been ruined by poor scripts written for 5 year olds - sorry I mean 4 year olds. What makes it worse is, that as a Dr Who fan, I feel obliged to watch this rubbish. Russel T Davies doesn't have the imagination to write sci-fi. The endings for Dr Who are extremely poor. For those including me that want a bit more horror, why not air two versions of every episode. A early version for the 4 year olds and a late night version for the adults. Unfortunately this would not improve the scripts but would make it more palatable.
MArk London, on January 12th, 2009
the cybermen have been ruined, I hope the new darker directions see's them come back, the cybus ones should be binned now, have the 80's version ones come back all rusted & decaying on the verge of being wiped out.
the cybermen have been ruined, I hope the new darker directions see's them come back, the cybus ones should be binned now, have the 80's version ones come back all rusted & decaying on the verge of being wiped out.
Taz, London, on January 12th, 2009
What a load of rubbish, last year's special was excellent, the cybermen are as menacing as ever and look and sound better then they have ever done. Let's nor forget these are not the cybermen from the past, these are from an alternative earth so have nothing to do with the cybermen we already knew. a very bad article DS, shame on you. 12 million can't be wrong not to mention how popular it is on the BBC i player.
What a load of rubbish, last year's special was excellent, the cybermen are as menacing as ever and look and sound better then they have ever done. Let's nor forget these are not the cybermen from the past, these are from an alternative earth so have nothing to do with the cybermen we already knew. a very bad article DS, shame on you. 12 million can't be wrong not to mention how popular it is on the BBC i player.
willow, st andrews scotland, on January 12th, 2009
i hate the cybermen, but i always have. they seemed like cheap knock-offs of the daleks with legs and never really had enough to keep my interest. my very least favourite episodes of both the old and new shows are the cybermen ones. i'd be pleased if they never did another episode.
i hate the cybermen, but i always have. they seemed like cheap knock-offs of the daleks with legs and never really had enough to keep my interest. my very least favourite episodes of both the old and new shows are the cybermen ones. i'd be pleased if they never did another episode.
Steve, Dudley, on January 11th, 2009
I had to add something as everyone is talking about the costumes that I love the costumes too. Those dark eyes, with what looks like a tear, brilliant and truly inspired. And no they should not be deleted, who delete's such a wonderful foe!
I had to add something as everyone is talking about the costumes that I love the costumes too. Those dark eyes, with what looks like a tear, brilliant and truly inspired. And no they should not be deleted, who delete's such a wonderful foe!
Steve, Dudley, on January 11th, 2009
Personally I find them a terrifying foe. It might be that the scripts need beefing up but the basic idea that mans biggest foe is man himself is a valid one. I hate to imagine what we would be like with our compassion and feelings removed. The Daleks are hell bent on domination and that is the difference, the Daleks are beings, the cybermen are creations, programmed, clinical and precise. I always felt surprise was their one of their best traits. Bursting out from things or being around a corner, its that fear of what could be under the bed or in the wardrobe, rather than something invading. Daleks are fear, Cybermen are shock.
Personally I find them a terrifying foe. It might be that the scripts need beefing up but the basic idea that mans biggest foe is man himself is a valid one. I hate to imagine what we would be like with our compassion and feelings removed. The Daleks are hell bent on domination and that is the difference, the Daleks are beings, the cybermen are creations, programmed, clinical and precise. I always felt surprise was their one of their best traits. Bursting out from things or being around a corner, its that fear of what could be under the bed or in the wardrobe, rather than something invading. Daleks are fear, Cybermen are shock.
Kevin, Cambridge, on January 11th, 2009
The Christmas 'special' was good for one bit, the twist iof why he thought he was the doctor and who he really was. The rest of it was very poor indeed and they could have swopped the Cybermen for ANY other alien race and saved the Cybermen for something decent in a couple of years. They did the same with the Daleks. Aren't the writers capable of creating decent aliens anymore?
The Christmas 'special' was good for one bit, the twist iof why he thought he was the doctor and who he really was. The rest of it was very poor indeed and they could have swopped the Cybermen for ANY other alien race and saved the Cybermen for something decent in a couple of years. They did the same with the Daleks. Aren't the writers capable of creating decent aliens anymore?
StansCoffins, on January 11th, 2009
I thoroughly recommend the audio drama Spare Parts for anyone who thinks the Cybermen are mistreated. Moffat, please hire Marc Platt to write the next Cyber story!
I thoroughly recommend the audio drama Spare Parts for anyone who thinks the Cybermen are mistreated. Moffat, please hire Marc Platt to write the next Cyber story!
Robert, Blackpool, on January 11th, 2009
I tend to disagree with the article above. I believe the 2008 special was one of the better episodes of the new series and that the use of the Cybermen would great. I do believe that the giant Cyberman was a step too far but we have no control over what Russell T writes so we'll just have to sit back and put on a false smile. I personally prefer the series to use new aliens rather than 'second-hand ones'.
I tend to disagree with the article above. I believe the 2008 special was one of the better episodes of the new series and that the use of the Cybermen would great. I do believe that the giant Cyberman was a step too far but we have no control over what Russell T writes so we'll just have to sit back and put on a false smile. I personally prefer the series to use new aliens rather than 'second-hand ones'.
Kevin Lazenby: Telford, on January 11th, 2009
They should have been left as aliens; not adultereated human beings from a different dimension.
They should have been left as aliens; not adultereated human beings from a different dimension.
Marc Liverpool, on January 11th, 2009
There are quite a few mistakes in this article, but the general argument is valid. The cybermen are now rubbish villains. I've never liked them myself. I suppose one day though the series will see the return of our universe cybermen which will hopefully be a little bit tougher and more scary
There are quite a few mistakes in this article, but the general argument is valid. The cybermen are now rubbish villains. I've never liked them myself. I suppose one day though the series will see the return of our universe cybermen which will hopefully be a little bit tougher and more scary
Jamie Walker, on January 11th, 2009
'...woeful appearance in the Christmas Special' Methinks someone was drinking too much sherry and not paying enough attention; this year's Christmas special was much more entertaining than last years yawnfull corridor run.
'...woeful appearance in the Christmas Special' Methinks someone was drinking too much sherry and not paying enough attention; this year's Christmas special was much more entertaining than last years yawnfull corridor run.
Matthew, Dorset, on January 11th, 2009
Hate to be a pedant, but the Series Two finale was "Doomsday" rather than "The Parting of the Ways" - the Series One finale. Still, an excellent article.
Hate to be a pedant, but the Series Two finale was "Doomsday" rather than "The Parting of the Ways" - the Series One finale. Still, an excellent article.
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I have not seen any recent Dr.Who episodes but I prefer the old scary appearance of the Cybermen - their present incarnation looks like your typical Star Wars robot. If it ain't broke don't fix it.!