Your responses
John, North Yorkshire on September 24th, 2009
Well ...just like in real life the brown stuff hits the swirly thing....ppl get killed off in Torchwood and yes it is a shock, i hate the spoilers i'd rather be stunned watching it happen rather then catch a glimpse of it in the news paper....yes my fave person got killed off (Owen).....but people who say i'm no longer watching the show coz Ianto...bought the farm are in some way missing the point of what it means to be a member of Torchwood...at least the Ianto fans should be thankful that He had a Wonderful exit .....a goodbye my love love scene type of exit .......Tosh bled to death on the floor......Owen was Vaporised......It's the shock factor of Torchwood that makes it Interesting.....So raise a glass to season 4 .....At least give it a chance....Torchwood needs you ....don't turn your back on it
Sandra Nelson, Toronto on September 22nd, 2009
I have seen the clips on youtube of this panel. JB is a force of diabolical fun and frolic! I know it is hard for people to except the loss of favorite characters, but the loss of Captain Jack and Torchwood would be worse!
Holly, Westport Washington on August 23rd, 2009
I was one of Three (3) people who stood up at the panel and shouted the "we...We Want... We Want Ianto." That was it. That's all the protest, after talking to (what felt like) over a hundred people, 3 of us stood up and yelled. Oh well, it was good fun anyway, and I respect Russel hugely as a writer, but that doesn't mean I have to like the fact he killed Ianto, but I can't change the fact he did. Can't wait for next year!
Maisie, Leicester on August 6th, 2009
Can't believe RTD says he writes for himself. He should be writing for audiences. I've decided i'm gonna botcott Torchwood from now on. Anyone want to join me?
Katie, London on August 6th, 2009
I found RTD's comments hurtful- he's so dismissive of fan's opinions- does he even care how we feel?? I'm a big supporter of the Save Ianto Jones Campaign and don't think we should let it go at all. RTD might not care, but we do
Rebecca, UK on July 29th, 2009
I was at the panel and RTD came across as a complete knob (as I kind of expected). Luckily Barrowman was interesting, entertaining and diffused the situation. I'm no big campaigner and I don't mind the death, but RTD seems to really believe some of the press reports about his brilliance.. which saddens me.
Carrie, UK on July 28th, 2009
I'm a big fan of Ianto, he was my fav character from episode one. I'm part of the Save Ianto movement and I'm proud of the fact that we have use our time and money to show respect for someone by raising money for charity. I think it's great, over £3500 for children in need so far. http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/ I have always respected writers and producers, the story lines they create and film. After all it's their show to do with as they will even if I don't like the story or what they do with it. What I cannot stand is the rudeness and damn right contempt that RTD has shown the shows fans. Note I said the shows fans because I think RTD has lost a lot of his own personal fans with his comments in recent interviews. Accusing the fans of wanting nothing more than to see Jack and Ianto have sex, really RTD you think so highly of your fans that you cannot believe that they actually wanted to see a relationship - it wasn't about the sex. Then talking down about those fans supporting Save Ianto Jones. RTD is making out like it's only one or two people when in reality it is a large group. Hundreds of packets of coffee have been sent, postcards from all over the world, e-mails from many people - so many in fact that the BBC had to set up a special automated e-mail message to deal with the Ianto effect. It's not like the campaign is sending rude and distasteful message, they support the polite and calm style campaign. RTD should be grateful and proud that he created a character people love so much, instead he does little more than slap fans in the face with harsh comments. Due to the recent interviews, not the death of Ianto, my respect for RTD has flown out the window.
Lian, Dublin on July 28th, 2009
Will you people who are still rending your clothes and pouring ashes on your head over the death of Ianto (and attendant 'Janto') stop calling yourselves 'the audience' and making out that RTD hates 'the fans'?! You are ONE section of the Torchwood audience/fandom...and contrary to your beliefs you are not the majority. Most of us came to TW as Jack fans from DW and/or as SF fans in general. A great many of us didn't even particularly find Ianto interesting till more recently...and still feel a greater connection to Gwen, Tosh, Owen, even Rhys! We've all of us lost favourite characters in shows we've loved, so get over it! He died well and was mourned. All this stuff, just sounds like a freakin' tantrum! You are coming off as childish and whiny, with your constant refrains of "I'm not watching" and RTD "hates us". He doesn't! God knows he's done nothing BUT court fans since he took over Who, often to the detriment of good storytelling. If you've decided the show is dead to you, fine, but if so why are you even here commenting anymore?! Go! Your disappearing from fandom and non-viewing of Season 4 will speak far more eloquently then anything else you can say to RTD. All in all though, I have a feeling that it will be you that will be disappointed and not RTD when the ratings for a new Season come in, because if it is half as well written and performed as COE it'll do quite nicely thank you very much.
C.S., Massachusetts, USA on July 28th, 2009
Oh sweet Jesu...enough already! I love Torchwood and the characters there (for the most part, don't get me started about the utter waste Gray was), and frankly all this moaning about Ianto's death is just getting both out of control and deeply annoying. If you don't like the show or find that your reason for it is now gone, here's a thought...Don't Watch! But the way people are carrying on about a death that was appropriate and well done is getting on the verge of pathetic. Ianto passed on. Death happens in shows all the time. It happens in life all the time. He worked an ultra-high risk job that has a track record for their employees passing to the great beyond way before old age is considered. The fact he cheated death as often as he did before this is a miracle in itself. It's time to sit back, Ianto fans, take a deep breath, and remember...this is a television show and on the grand scale of what is important in this world...this surely doesn't even rate in the top fifty.
Cheryl, Chicago, IL on July 28th, 2009
I think the thing that irritates me the most is that RTD is being extremely disrespectful of the fan base that got TW where it is today. Of course, he has every right to take it in a different direction...but then he shouldn't be defensive if some of the fans didn't like it. But he really is a disengenuous liar. 9 packets of coffee - uh no. A handful of complainers on the Internet - uh no. I don't bring characters back after I kill them - uh no. I'm not interested in the WonderGwen show or dark, depressing Sci-Fi. Nor am I interested in a restaffed show with hot babes with big guns. Not the TW I know and love. But if it works for you - by all means - enjoy. After all there is a shocking lack of dark Sci-Fi with babe shows catering to the 15 to 30 yr old manchild viewer..not.
Rachel, Manchester on July 27th, 2009
What Russell should have said is 'people die young in Torchwood unless they're my favourite character Gwen'. He has claimed that killing Ianto was important to the storyline as it made Jack willing to sacrifice his grandson. However, during series 2 they really pushed the idea of an unrequited love between Jack and Gwen and Jack was always supposed to really value and love the fact that Gwen still had a 'normal' life and hadn't let Torchwood affect her to the same extent as the others. Therefore, killing Gwen (especially a pregnant Gwen) should have had the same effect if not more than killing Ianto - plus it would have been more logical for Jack to have taken Gwen with him to face the 456 rather than the coffee boy/admin person. Russell has little sympathy for the fans of Ianto (or Tosh or Owen) simply saying that the deaths must be accepted for the good of the storyline. However, when it comes to his favourites, he is unwilling to sacrifice them for the good of the storyline. Gwen may as well be immortal as, while every other member of Torchwood has been killed (some more than once!), she always comes through unscathed, when she lost Rhys, there was a magic re-set button to bring him back (an idea he has dismissed when it comes to Ianto) and in Doctor Who his favourite Rose was able to come back from a parallel world (which we'd been told was impossible) and was given a clone Doctor to live happily ever after with. The truth is Russell is just as much a fanboy as the people he dismisses. He fiercely protects the lives of his favourite characters and gives them happy-ever-after endings, no matter what would be best for the storyline.
Tosh on July 27th, 2009
Funny is the fact that really few people out of all the commentators everywhere on the net disagree with the critics moved to CoE but RTD keeps talking for them as they were the majority of the online fandom. How pathetic is this? LOL! The (little) man can't deal with constructive criticisms!!! Who is the grown up here?
Krazy on July 27th, 2009
Ianto's death didn't take away from the trauma of me watching Stephen being sacrificed for the other 10% of the world's children. Yet again, I'm not speaking for anyone else other than myself and it seems like the more 'emotional' Janto/Ianto fans are speaking as a small but very irate group. As many Janto/Ianto fans that are upset and not wanting to see the show continue on anymore, with their favorite character and his relationship being continued with Jack, there are even more other Janto/Ianto fans of Torchwood and not just the Torchwood: The Janto Chronicles that some folks have obessed over being the "true canon" of the show. At least you guys are now spending money towards charity and the coffee industry.
Kat, Glasgow on July 27th, 2009
You see the problem, Krazy from NY, is that Stephen was just a redshirt. We weren't given the time to know him nor to become emotionally involved with him. And in fact both characters of Jack's daughter and grandson were introduced, very conveniently, in CoE. With Ianto it's a completely different matter. We, the fans, were already in love with him, we were expecting to know him better, to know what made him tick, and above all we were expecting - because we were told so - to see his "love story" with Jack to evolve and become the centre of the story. Turns out those were all lies. Of course the killing of a child is horrible and the fact that people is upset about Ianto and seem to not give a care about Steven is the evidence that the writers did an incredible huge mistake, they underestimate the importance of a "minor" character like Ianto. Ianto's death literally stole the limelight, if you allow me this analogy, from the shock we were supposed to suffer from the killing of a child. By Day 5 I personally just didn't care anymore about the whole thing. It's not a question of priorities. It's just overkill.
Krazy, New York on July 27th, 2009
At least money's being donated to charity, but where's the campaign for "In Stephen's Name" for giving up his life to save the "Children of Earth". Priorities people.
Laura, Yorkshire on July 27th, 2009
With Torchwood we're already shown in series 2, I think it is, that people die young, working for Torchwood. This is something established in both seasons. I for one like the fact that he killed Ianto off. It shows how dangerous it is to work for Torchwood and the sacrifices which must be made. And anyway,to me Ianto wasn't even that much of a character, he only really came into his own in this series. I was more gutted about Tosh and Owen, one of them would have been fine but BOTH of them. Ianto wasn't that exiting so I don't understand the backlash.
Ruth, West Yorkshire on July 27th, 2009
I don't care who thinks that it's pathetic and that we should "get over Ianto's death". The fact is: Torchwood is no longer the show we fell in love with. The number of cast deaths within five episodes is heavy handed, the final episode of CoE was rushed and shoddily written and had more plotholes than a block of swiss cheese, and loyal fans were lied to about what would happen. RTD has killed a lot about Torchwood that a hell of a lot of people liked, and he being arrogant, dismissive and patronising of the fans that made Torchwood as popular as it is. I have no desire to watch series 4 of Torchwood and many, many other share my views. Like it or not, we are not a minority, no matter how much the likes of Russell would like everyone to think. By the way Russell: bringing Ianto back would devalue and cheapen his exit? Two words for you: ROSE TYLER. You, Sir, are a hypocrite.
Elly, Warks on July 27th, 2009
It's not likely that Martha will be returning to TW, for the same reason she couldn't be in Children of Earth, she's now a regular in the UK version of 'Law and Order' for a rival channel.
Mary, Boston on July 27th, 2009
Don't count ratings numbers as endorsement. I'm among the millions in the US who watched each episode of the mini-series hoping it would get better and was going somewhere other than an opportunity for government-bashing or perhaps the writer's egotistical view that he was producing some great Greek tragedy, which it was not.. I was extremely disappointed because I thought it was poorly done, poorly written. I didn't watch season 1 and only some of some of season 2 of Torchwood so I didn't have the emotional investment in any of the characters expect perhaps Captain Jack. I was watching the mini-series more as a stand-alone and it certainly didn't want to make me see any more of Torchwood and certainly not anything that this particular writer might do. Ridiculous! It didn't hang together logically as a sci-fi story for me – and only about a minute and a half on actually finding a way to get rid of the alien. Everything else just seemed like some gratuitous ego trip for the writers or actors - give them a chance do a death scene, perhaps, and I wasn't impressed with Ianto's compared the one of Tosh and Owen. It looked like there might be some good interpersonal relationships that could be developed further – Jack and his daughter, for example. But at the end of the mini-series, all I could think was what a colossal waste of time I had spent!
Teresa, UK on July 27th, 2009
In response to the person who said they didn't get the idea of investing in characters, i think the original poster was talking about emotionally investing (caring) and not about investing their time. I know its just fiction but writers do deliberatley try to make viewers care about what happens to characters as this is what makes a lot of people consistantly tune in day after day, week after week (soaps being a prime example of this) and for Torchwood is also what generates the merchandise sales. I would have thought that it would be a bit of a hard sell to try to get viewers to care about any of the characters in Torchwood in the future as we've now been told they are already pretty much guaranteed to the be dead soon anyway. Some people may just look at that as a premise and decide not to bother.
Ian, Merstham on July 27th, 2009
In response to Chris (Glasgow) Yes - I find the bring back Ianto/anti-RTD stuff deeply annoying and embarassing. As the man said, it's not a democracy - it's storytelling... sorry, but if you don't like the story then don't listen to any more of that storyteller's tales!
Drew, Australia on July 27th, 2009
I sent coffee, but made it DECAF!!!!!
Julie, Scotland on July 27th, 2009
I find it a little odd that RTD finds it necessary to lie about the stuff that's been sent. I've sent almost that much all by myself! Why is he attacking his fans with lies, when he ought to be flattered by their love of his character?
Andy, London on July 27th, 2009
Ianto ISN'T coming back you pathetic saddoes, just get over it!
Charlie, Oldham on July 27th, 2009
Quite amazed that no-one asked about series 4 or what was happening next? Or is it just so early I missed that bit?
Andy, Blackpool on July 27th, 2009
"Chris, Glasgow on July 27th, 2009 Anyone else finding the whole "bring back Ianto/anti-RTD" thing a bit embarrassing? I loved the character too, but you guys have to take a step back and get over it!!" Yep, totally, I am ashamed to be a Torchwood fan when I am compared to that lot.
Jo, Bath on July 27th, 2009
9 packets, really RTD. How long has that little man been in the states?
Daniel Erskine on July 27th, 2009
Does RTD sympathise at all with the fans of the show. He sounded more in your face than anything... RUSSELL T DAVIES IS THE NEW SATAN I wish i was there to hurl rotten fruit at the c*nt...I really do. For me its not just the killing of Ianto... its the direction the show took towards the end they really need to pick up from this because its actually horrific his treatment of the fans...I am not gonna cry insanely for the next month about it because I do in fact have a life but i cant help but get passionate about something I really enjoy... It was 10 light years better than anything he attempted on Doctor Who!
Owen on July 27th, 2009
The decision to kill Ianto was a 'no brainer' alright. Thanks for the confirmation. By the way, it's several hundreds of packets of coffee, not nine.
Jack Baltimore, Maryland on July 27th, 2009
It was a little disturbing and offensive that Russell and John are dismissive of our (the audiences) feelings about the killing off of Ianto. I, for one, will NOT be tuning in to a fourth series - even if it is "good story telling." In order to be able to tell "good stories," you must have an audience.
Chris, Glasgow on July 27th, 2009
Anyone else finding the whole "bring back Ianto/anti-RTD" thing a bit embarrassing? I loved the character too, but you guys have to take a step back and get over it!
Matt, Gateshead on July 27th, 2009
Wow can we please get over the fact that Ianto got killed already? its the same as what we had to put up with when Tara got killed on Buffy - it would have had to happen to further Jack's story and to those who think that Russel doesn't care about the fans etc = are you blind to the last four and a half years?
Linda, UK on July 27th, 2009
I don't understand this idea of "investing" in characters - It's entertainment! Presumably what is meant by an "investment" is our devoting time to watching these characters - but if we enjoy that time then where are the lost returns? Fair enough, be a bit pissed that your favourite character is gone, i know i am, but there's no reason to feel cheated - we've had three quality years of Ianto Jones, and i for one am happy to have "invested" my time in him.
Jen, Middlesbrough on July 27th, 2009
Funny that he's only got nine packets. Last tally from the comms put the total in the hundreds...
Tom on July 27th, 2009
RTD - "To be honest, I don't at all. I don't sit and think about an audience at all, I just sit and think about what makes me happy." ...Right. Ass. Why is he there deriding the fans about coffee when they've raised tons of money for charity? Thankfully John Barrowman was there to point that out and show what a complete **** RTD is. Hopefully the next writers will treat series 4 with some sort of respect.
Andrea, the Netherlands on July 27th, 2009
"The man that he loves was the cost of making CJ a hero." Um...I already saw Jack as a hero. Also we saw him lose loves (Estelle), family member (Gray) and members of his team (Tosh, Owen) before so hadnt he already suffered enough? Most of this series seemed to be written to make Jack suffer, I'm not sure how that's entertainment really watching someone be blown up, covered in cement and having to make decisions that totally break him." That's what drama is all about. Push your characters, and keep pushing until they break. Jack does'n't break easily, so the pushing continues and will probably get worse. Gotta love RTD for having the guts to do all this. CoE is absolutely brilliant tv.
Rachel, Manchester on July 27th, 2009
The Children In Need fundraising site that John refers to is here: http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/
Fionulla on July 27th, 2009
9 packets of coffee? WTF? I thought the BBC got quite a bit of the stuff - I remember a quick coverage on BBC Wales where they spoke to the person running the site to ask a few questions. Reading a few interviews with Mr. Davies, it doesn't sound like he cares too much for his fans, which saddens me. He's such a good writer, but I feel less compelled to invest in his characters knowing how easily he'll just kill them off as a bit of a plot device. He seems to forget that not everyone wants to constantly see the characters suffer, and Jack really is continually put through the wringer. I personally felt the death of Ianto was a bit unnecessary - what was the point of him going in that building other than the writers needing him to be there to be killed? And with him being so popular too, I felt it was too soon (when looking at all three series of Torchwood as a whole) to kill Ianto (and not just the with the whole 'five episodes and three main characters dead!' issue). It was also nice to see a gay relationship on the TV that wasn't all about being accepted or finding themselves or being in denial or worried about what their families would think and blah blah blah that apparently all of us non-heterosexuals go through. I felt the cultural significance of Jack and Ianto's relationship should have been taken in to account, too. Anyway, what I intended to be a quick look-in have become an essay, so I shall end it here. Thanks for the liveblogging! Appreciated it xx
Cate NYC on July 27th, 2009
Really Russell......"9 packets of coffee" the saveiantojones campaign members have sent over 400 packets alone and that was basically BEFORE Torchwood aired in the US. A bit scared and trying to minimize things, are we?
Viola, Mn, USA on July 27th, 2009
Nice to know fans mean so little to Russel & Julie... & there is something quite offputting about how vehemenantly they proclaimed that not only is Ianto dead (as required by the story yada yada yada) but he won't be back given how many characters during course of Dr Who/Torchwood they have brought back from the dead. That being said- too bad that the S4 news hadn't been really broken to facilitate questions about who exactly S4 will be about.