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TV Poll: Time to move on from Ianto?
Published Friday, Jul 31 2009, 16:57 BST | By Neil Wilkes and Dan French | 55 comments
Last week, we asked how True Blood was for you. Being the firm fans that we are here at Tube Talk, we've been rooting for the show since we first heard about it, and it seems most of you share our passion! A whopping 80.3% voted in favour of the sexy vampire series, against the 3.5% of readers who said they were over this whole blood-sucking genre. Meanwhile, 16.1% said that they weren't really fussed either way.
This week, Torchwood is back on our radar. It's been a good few weeks now since the shock death of Ianto aired but the controversy is still raging. We've heard from the man himself and at the weekend, we also heard Russell T Davies' response to disgruntled fans. But now we're asking whether the fans have overreacted. Is it time to move on? Click below to cast your vote and add your comments in the usual place at the end of this entry.
Check back next week for the results!
This week, Torchwood is back on our radar. It's been a good few weeks now since the shock death of Ianto aired but the controversy is still raging. We've heard from the man himself and at the weekend, we also heard Russell T Davies' response to disgruntled fans. But now we're asking whether the fans have overreacted. Is it time to move on? Click below to cast your vote and add your comments in the usual place at the end of this entry.
Check back next week for the results!
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Trevory, on August 27th, 2009
I just miss Owen... NEVER the same without him :(
I just miss Owen... NEVER the same without him :(
Jack, Baltimore, on August 18th, 2009
where are the polll results?
where are the polll results?
Katie, New Jersey, on August 11th, 2009
It seems that, no matter how the viewers vote, you have already decided on the answer to your question, which is a shame. Personally, I was extremely disappointed by the events of CoE, including the death of Ianto. Even now, about a month since the end of the series, that disappointment still lingers. So: no, I'm not ready to move on. But, I'm not just shaking my fists in anger at the TV. I'm using my reaction to show to inform discussion with other fans about the portrayal of gays and lesbians in the media, parallels to real world events, and a number of other topics. I'm supporting the charitable works of other fans, including the phenominal donations to Children in Need and the Lluest Horse and Pony Trust. If that's overreacting, I'll gladly be accused.
It seems that, no matter how the viewers vote, you have already decided on the answer to your question, which is a shame. Personally, I was extremely disappointed by the events of CoE, including the death of Ianto. Even now, about a month since the end of the series, that disappointment still lingers. So: no, I'm not ready to move on. But, I'm not just shaking my fists in anger at the TV. I'm using my reaction to show to inform discussion with other fans about the portrayal of gays and lesbians in the media, parallels to real world events, and a number of other topics. I'm supporting the charitable works of other fans, including the phenominal donations to Children in Need and the Lluest Horse and Pony Trust. If that's overreacting, I'll gladly be accused.
j/j, UK, on August 10th, 2009
the ratings for Cof E in America have just come out and average 700,000 per night. So all the need to change Torchwood for the US market ie "tone down", more tension and drama ie kill off characters that made the show what it was. This was done for those figures when we already had 3m plus per episode before Cof E in th UK. Not sure I see the logic.
the ratings for Cof E in America have just come out and average 700,000 per night. So all the need to change Torchwood for the US market ie "tone down", more tension and drama ie kill off characters that made the show what it was. This was done for those figures when we already had 3m plus per episode before Cof E in th UK. Not sure I see the logic.
sapphire jones,UK, on August 8th, 2009
Ianto's death was pointless,he didn't die a hero- it was merely a case of no planning. They really should bring him back!Now we are left with 'The Gwen & Jack Show' don't expect me to be watching it.
Ianto's death was pointless,he didn't die a hero- it was merely a case of no planning. They really should bring him back!Now we are left with 'The Gwen & Jack Show' don't expect me to be watching it.
Laura, USA, on August 8th, 2009
I like Torchwood and have followed it since the beginning, but this save Ianto thing is getting pathetic. It's fiction people, get a grip!
I like Torchwood and have followed it since the beginning, but this save Ianto thing is getting pathetic. It's fiction people, get a grip!
Alliie, London, on August 8th, 2009
I am not moving on that easily! If i'm going to be a fan i'm going to be a dedicated one!!! I loved ianto and thought his death was pointless xxxxxx
I am not moving on that easily! If i'm going to be a fan i'm going to be a dedicated one!!! I loved ianto and thought his death was pointless xxxxxx
Heather, USA, on August 8th, 2009
Move on from Ianto's death? Um, no I don't think so. This death hurt me and broke my heart in ways that it will always be hard to move on from in my opinion. I will not be watching any future Torchwood because it will not be the same without Ianto Jones, no matter which characters Russell T. Davies thinks are the most important. I don't believe the death helped the plot in anyway that was useful and it mostly just served to devestate loyal fans and help them lose faith in a once fantastic show.
Move on from Ianto's death? Um, no I don't think so. This death hurt me and broke my heart in ways that it will always be hard to move on from in my opinion. I will not be watching any future Torchwood because it will not be the same without Ianto Jones, no matter which characters Russell T. Davies thinks are the most important. I don't believe the death helped the plot in anyway that was useful and it mostly just served to devestate loyal fans and help them lose faith in a once fantastic show.
loopmeinoddone, USA, on August 7th, 2009
I was really upset over the death of Ianto, broke my heart, RTD says he died a hero but really it was just stupid and pointless. He really just died because they raced in there with out a plan ( so out of character for Jack Btw) and the "drug" deal went wrong. I will not be watching torchwood if it comes back and not just because of Ianto but because of RTD's blatant disregard for his fans. The more he talks the angrier i get. Gareth David-Lloyd you already have one fan for whatever you deciede to do next.
I was really upset over the death of Ianto, broke my heart, RTD says he died a hero but really it was just stupid and pointless. He really just died because they raced in there with out a plan ( so out of character for Jack Btw) and the "drug" deal went wrong. I will not be watching torchwood if it comes back and not just because of Ianto but because of RTD's blatant disregard for his fans. The more he talks the angrier i get. Gareth David-Lloyd you already have one fan for whatever you deciede to do next.
Ceridwen, on August 7th, 2009
As much as I enjoyed the character of Ianto Jones, and thought the chemistry between Gareth David-Lloyd and John Barrowman was extraordinary, I don't watch a show for one character alone. I watched Torchwood for a lot of reasons that included Ianto. But when a show like Torchwood has to kill it's characters off one by one across a couple of episodes to make the point it's a dangerous job they're in, well, that's where for me at least, the creativity in writing is gone and there's no point watching anymore when there are better and more consistently written programs out there, because, in the end series four will just be more of the same. I've gone from your second selection to just not caring anymore.
As much as I enjoyed the character of Ianto Jones, and thought the chemistry between Gareth David-Lloyd and John Barrowman was extraordinary, I don't watch a show for one character alone. I watched Torchwood for a lot of reasons that included Ianto. But when a show like Torchwood has to kill it's characters off one by one across a couple of episodes to make the point it's a dangerous job they're in, well, that's where for me at least, the creativity in writing is gone and there's no point watching anymore when there are better and more consistently written programs out there, because, in the end series four will just be more of the same. I've gone from your second selection to just not caring anymore.
Lori, UK, on August 7th, 2009
Rather polarised options, but I had to go with the second, not because I necessarily had problems with the writing or creative decisions (because writers can, and will, do whatever they like), but because CoE just wasn't my sort of thing. As a stand-alone drama (and for the casual or first-time viewer), it was excellent. But I'm a huge long-term fan of the show with emotional ties to the characters and backstory, and I loved my quirky, often ridiculous, cult series so, for me, CoE was not Torchwood enough. And throughout the entire series, I just felt as though the Torchwood aspect was simply tacked on to another storyline. It didn't seem to fit right for me. So, personally I won't be watching series 4 because I'm not that keen on the new direction the show has taken and because I'm too taken with what the show used to be. I'll also be very aware of the fact that everything Torchwood was has now been destroyed. If Ianto came back and the Hub was rebuilt and we perhaps went back to the individual storylines, I'd be much more inclined to watch again, but where S3 has left the show, it's just not something I'd want to continue to watch. Which is a shame. But at the same time, there are lots of new viewers who never really liked the first two series but love what it's become so swings and roundabouts!
Rather polarised options, but I had to go with the second, not because I necessarily had problems with the writing or creative decisions (because writers can, and will, do whatever they like), but because CoE just wasn't my sort of thing. As a stand-alone drama (and for the casual or first-time viewer), it was excellent. But I'm a huge long-term fan of the show with emotional ties to the characters and backstory, and I loved my quirky, often ridiculous, cult series so, for me, CoE was not Torchwood enough. And throughout the entire series, I just felt as though the Torchwood aspect was simply tacked on to another storyline. It didn't seem to fit right for me. So, personally I won't be watching series 4 because I'm not that keen on the new direction the show has taken and because I'm too taken with what the show used to be. I'll also be very aware of the fact that everything Torchwood was has now been destroyed. If Ianto came back and the Hub was rebuilt and we perhaps went back to the individual storylines, I'd be much more inclined to watch again, but where S3 has left the show, it's just not something I'd want to continue to watch. Which is a shame. But at the same time, there are lots of new viewers who never really liked the first two series but love what it's become so swings and roundabouts!
Annie Wilkes, hiding in RTD's bushes, on August 7th, 2009
You! You dirty bird, RTD! How could you? He can't be dead, IANTO JONES CANNOT BE DEAD! I DON'T WANT HIS SPIRIT! I WANT HIM, AND YOU MURDERED HIM! SLIPPED AWAY! SLIPPED AWAY? HE DIDN'T JUST SLIP AWAY! YOU DID IT! YOU DID IT! YOU DID IT! YOU MURDERED MY IANTO!
You! You dirty bird, RTD! How could you? He can't be dead, IANTO JONES CANNOT BE DEAD! I DON'T WANT HIS SPIRIT! I WANT HIM, AND YOU MURDERED HIM! SLIPPED AWAY! SLIPPED AWAY? HE DIDN'T JUST SLIP AWAY! YOU DID IT! YOU DID IT! YOU DID IT! YOU MURDERED MY IANTO!
Ruby, UK, on August 7th, 2009
At the time of Ianto's death I was very sad. Tears, cries of "No!" and anry mutterings about Tosh and Owen and how we'll have nobody left shortly. However, now that time has moved on I think I've gotten over it. The death was very sad and beautifully acted. I'm not saying it was necessary but it showed how the 456 didn't care and were willing to go to extreme measures to get what they wanted. It also reminded us that life in Torchwood is very dangerous. Personally, I loved COE and thought it was one of the best Torchwood stories yet. I think Torchwood could continue with a very bitter and broken Gwen and eventually Jack's return. Perhaps another short series rather than a full one would work to get us back into the show? Let's hope TW continues in the future.
At the time of Ianto's death I was very sad. Tears, cries of "No!" and anry mutterings about Tosh and Owen and how we'll have nobody left shortly. However, now that time has moved on I think I've gotten over it. The death was very sad and beautifully acted. I'm not saying it was necessary but it showed how the 456 didn't care and were willing to go to extreme measures to get what they wanted. It also reminded us that life in Torchwood is very dangerous. Personally, I loved COE and thought it was one of the best Torchwood stories yet. I think Torchwood could continue with a very bitter and broken Gwen and eventually Jack's return. Perhaps another short series rather than a full one would work to get us back into the show? Let's hope TW continues in the future.
Denise NY, NY, on August 6th, 2009
Weeks after viewing the death of Ianto and the loss of the Jack & Ianto relationship in CoE it is still difficult for me to come up with a reason why I might tune in to watch another series of Torchwood with out any prospect of seeing them both rise again. This shouldn't be that difficult over the course of the show 4 main characters have died, Suzie, Rhys, Owen and Tosh. Only Tosh didn't return. Suzie came back for an episode, Owen for half a series and Rhys, bless him, is still with us to this day. The last is what I would wish to see for Ianto. As much as I enjoy Capt. Jack there can't be the same joy or interest in seeing what happens to him going forward after losing practically everyone around him but the loss of Ianto in particular is wrench. Watching Jack develop new relationships would feel hollow and the idea that anyone that gets too close or stays too long will only be killed off a deterrent. There must be another way of providing drama in a show beyond killing off characters one after the other. Couldn't Ianto beat the odds? I don't want RTD's head on a plate, though since you gave me no other choice with which to voice my displeasure that is how I voted. I would much prefer Russell keep his exceptional head and use it to find an innovative way to bring Ianto back to us viewers and most importantly to Jack.
Weeks after viewing the death of Ianto and the loss of the Jack & Ianto relationship in CoE it is still difficult for me to come up with a reason why I might tune in to watch another series of Torchwood with out any prospect of seeing them both rise again. This shouldn't be that difficult over the course of the show 4 main characters have died, Suzie, Rhys, Owen and Tosh. Only Tosh didn't return. Suzie came back for an episode, Owen for half a series and Rhys, bless him, is still with us to this day. The last is what I would wish to see for Ianto. As much as I enjoy Capt. Jack there can't be the same joy or interest in seeing what happens to him going forward after losing practically everyone around him but the loss of Ianto in particular is wrench. Watching Jack develop new relationships would feel hollow and the idea that anyone that gets too close or stays too long will only be killed off a deterrent. There must be another way of providing drama in a show beyond killing off characters one after the other. Couldn't Ianto beat the odds? I don't want RTD's head on a plate, though since you gave me no other choice with which to voice my displeasure that is how I voted. I would much prefer Russell keep his exceptional head and use it to find an innovative way to bring Ianto back to us viewers and most importantly to Jack.
Rachel, Uk, on August 5th, 2009
I hate what RTD did to Torchwood, he just can't wright anymore. His only way of writing is to kill off the entire team so it's the main character that introduced us to Torchwood and the one that can't die. Also RTD needs to recognise the fandom, he is a very selfish man who lives in a little bubble playing god (and possible scrabble...badly) and who has no idea what kind of effect this is having on the fans who want Ianto back.
I hate what RTD did to Torchwood, he just can't wright anymore. His only way of writing is to kill off the entire team so it's the main character that introduced us to Torchwood and the one that can't die. Also RTD needs to recognise the fandom, he is a very selfish man who lives in a little bubble playing god (and possible scrabble...badly) and who has no idea what kind of effect this is having on the fans who want Ianto back.
Tori, NI, on August 5th, 2009
imo, COE destroyed torchwood. I don't see how they could bring it back, what with Jack being as damaged as he is, and no Ianto. The only way i can see is if RTD starts a new programme with new characters and try to pass it off as the new Torchwood - people won't react well to that. Ianto was the backbone to Torchwood, and while i understand that everyone dies young at Torchwood, it seemed like Ianto's death was just put in to fill space and as a reason for Jack to be so far gone that he kills his own grandson. Definately NOT time to move on.
imo, COE destroyed torchwood. I don't see how they could bring it back, what with Jack being as damaged as he is, and no Ianto. The only way i can see is if RTD starts a new programme with new characters and try to pass it off as the new Torchwood - people won't react well to that. Ianto was the backbone to Torchwood, and while i understand that everyone dies young at Torchwood, it seemed like Ianto's death was just put in to fill space and as a reason for Jack to be so far gone that he kills his own grandson. Definately NOT time to move on.
Hysterical Woman #666, On an island with Janto, on August 5th, 2009
C'mon my fellow legion of hysterical women (and certain men). Let's rig this poll.
C'mon my fellow legion of hysterical women (and certain men). Let's rig this poll.
Chris, London, on August 5th, 2009
No point in this poll since the people on saveiantojones web site have been instructing people to vote from multipe computers over and over. No matter what the results say they have clearly been distorted by this. How pathetic. http://community.livejournal.com/savecoffeeboy/196216.html
No point in this poll since the people on saveiantojones web site have been instructing people to vote from multipe computers over and over. No matter what the results say they have clearly been distorted by this. How pathetic. http://community.livejournal.com/savecoffeeboy/196216.html
saxgoddess25, on August 5th, 2009
In response to the person who said Ianto's death was well done, were we watching the same show? His death was pointless and obtuse. As to whether there is a way to bring him back, of course there is. I can think of at least 5 right off the top of my head right now. Russell just needs to find some imagination. I wish I could give him some of mine.
In response to the person who said Ianto's death was well done, were we watching the same show? His death was pointless and obtuse. As to whether there is a way to bring him back, of course there is. I can think of at least 5 right off the top of my head right now. Russell just needs to find some imagination. I wish I could give him some of mine.
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i agree that killing ianto was a very bad idea as he was a gr8 character but if there is another series of TW then i'm going 2 watch the 1st episode coz RTD mite suprise us